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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>noldrin</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:45 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I'm still peeved that my employer moved from the GPL system RT to a slaveware solution based on .Net. I went from being able to answer tickets anywhere, including on my phone, to only being able to answer tickets on Window boxes that have .Net 2.0</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>jebba</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:12 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>extraspecialbitter wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">In parallel, I am working with the OpenJDK people to see if the gcjwebplugin.so plugin can ultimately get me where I need to be.</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Ah cool, nice one. :)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>extraspecialbitter</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:08 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I've moved this topic to the Slaveware forum, as I feel that my employers (and others like them) have enslaved me to be dependent upon non-free Java in order to use their client-less VPN. It's forced me to have a non-free-tolerant distro (Linux Mint in this case) on my laptop with the express purpose of remote access. <br /> <br />In parallel, I am working with the OpenJDK people to see if the gcjwebplugin.so plugin can ultimately get me where I need to be.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>noldrin</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:26 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Funny enough I was thinking about this situation on my way home. It seems to me that it might be more ethical to install OpenJDK on BLAG, since it is enabling you to use more Free software, than if you are in mint, which once you are booted there you have to stay there. Especially considering OpenJDK is a project actively working to replace it's slaveware bits with FOSS and that by using the OpenJDK you are helping test to the newest FOSS bits. Doesn't seem to me any worse than someone using the broadcom firmware with the open source driver.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>extraspecialbitter</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:36 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">As a compromise I've been keeping the laptop at work and booting up Mint (encumbered with Java, Flash, etc.) at home when I need to access the VPN. Despite the fact that it serves this necessary purpose, I don't like it nearly as much as BLAG. Hopefully openjdk will eventually deliver full Java functionality without proprietary blobs so that I can avoid having to boot a different distro - or far worse, Windoze - in order to get my work done.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>noldrin</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:09 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I have found a lot of VPN client apps suck, when my work switched from standard PPTP to Sonicwall, I couldn't get the windows box connected for a while. It works sometimes now, but now I just go in through other things we have setup. I'd suggest keep using the work laptop, It's often better to segregate work and non work.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>extraspecialbitter</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:59 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>jebba wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">When you just install java-1.7.0-icedtea-plugin normally and don't do any tricks, does it show up ok when you go to the URL "about:plugins" ?</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />yes it does. The plugin is there, and it does do many of the things an applet should do (e.g. I can "watch" Boston Red Sox games at work), but there are some pages that aren't rendered correctly. A few examples are <a href="http://www.pandora.com/" target="_blank" class="postlink">http://www.pandora.com/</a>, which should initiate a Java-based music player (instead of a mysterious gray rectangle), and <a href="http://www.allmusic.com" target="_blank" class="postlink">http://www.allmusic.com</a>, which routinely crashes Firefox. More importantly than either of these, my workplace's "extranet" page includes a link to Juniper Network's client-less VPN, which is implemented as an applet. An applet-like window appears to download the software to the browser, but the Firefox status bar indicates that the Applet is not started. :^(</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>jebba</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:45 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">When you just install java-1.7.0-icedtea-plugin normally and don't do any tricks, does it show up ok when you go to the URL "about:plugins" ?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>extraspecialbitter</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:36 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">so here's the conundrum in a nutshell - if a fully functional Java is necessary for me to have remote access to my workplace, do I: <br /><ul>1) continue to lug a Windoze laptop back and forth for the sole purpose of remote access, <br />2) maintain a non-free Linux distro for the sole purpose of remote access, or <br />3) taint my favorite distro (BLAG, of course) with non-free Java?</ul></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>extraspecialbitter</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:38 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">I tried faking out Java by linking libjavaplugin_oji.so to gcbwebplugin.so, but that didn't work. It doesn't throw an error, but the applet is never initialized. I posted my issue to the "distro-pkg-dev" mailing list and was told to uninstall icedtea 1.7 in favor of openjdk 1.6. Unfortunately the latter requires an updated libc, so it seems I'm stuck for now. :^(</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>jebba</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:50 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Well it probably "needs libjavaplugin_oji.so" in that they are saying it "needs a java plugin for your browser" and this plugin is typically named (from Sun) as libjavaplugin_oji.so. The gcjwebplugin.so should be functionally equivalent (well, more or less). So just use that, make sure Java is enabled in Preferences, and try loading the page with the java applet.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>extraspecialbitter</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:21 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">it looks like the icedtea plugin package installs gcjwebplugin.so, but not libjavaplugin_oji.so, which is what Juniper seems to need. <br /> <br /></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Code:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="code">[root@blagger tmp]# rpm -q java-1.7.0-icedtea-plugin-1.7.0.0-0.19.b21.snapshot.fc8 --provides <br />gcjwebplugin.so <br />java-1.7.0-plugin = 1.7.0.0 <br />java-plugin = 1.7.0 <br />java-1.7.0-icedtea-plugin = 1.7.0.0-0.19.b21.snapshot.fc8 <br /></td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I've tried pinging the Fedora forum about the availability of the plugin in icedtea, but so far no go. I probably need to look elsewhere.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>noldrin</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:37 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">After years of moving towards free software, my company took a hard turn towards windows tech. So now I just RDP to a windows box at work and do all my work through that while leaving my blag boxes pure.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>extraspecialbitter</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:54 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span><table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"><tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>jebba wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">You "should" be able to use the free java plugin with their java applet. Or at least you can try it. I think there's docs on getting the java plugin going in the Fedora release notes. <br /> <br />-Jeff</td> </tr></table><span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />I'll need to do a little more research. My observations have been based on <a href="http://david.dw-perspective.org.uk/Juniper-Networks-SSL-VPN-Client-On-Linux.html" target="_blank" class="postlink">this article</a>, which makes use of the Sun (non-free) JRE and plugin.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>jebba</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:21 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">You "should" be able to use the free java plugin with their java applet. Or at least you can try it. I think there's docs on getting the java plugin going in the Fedora release notes. <br /> <br />-Jeff</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/BLAGlight/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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