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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:12 am 
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It's time to make your requests for 60k!

Please note, however, the following packages are slated to be removed for 60k:
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aiksaurus
airsnort
airtraf
blackbox
alacarte
bbkeys
efax
apg
loudmouth
nmap
nmap-frontend
compat-db
compat-libgcc-296
compat-libstdc++-296
compat-libstdc++-33
busybox
chkrootkit
postfix
cyrus-sasl-gssapi
db4-utils
dbh
distcache
effectv
eog
dvdauthor
fltk
OpenEXR
freetype-demos
gtkmm24
glibmm24
glibc (i386)
kernel (i586)
graveman
gnupg2
gpa
gpgme
icecast
pstoedit
dvdrip
subtitleripper
ImageMagick-perl
ImageMagick-c++
gnome-libs
imlib
iptraf
gdk-pixbuf
smpeg
irssi
iso-codes
ipsec-tools
netatalk
rsh-server
tftp-server
samba-client
logwatch
m4
make
mencoder
minicom
mplayerplug-in
mplayer
MuSE
openslp
openslp-server
openssl (i386)
ORBit
pam_smb
pam_krb5
perl-libintl
plotutils
pnm2ppa
portaudio
perl-DBI
procmail
privoxy
pth
skencil
gnumeric
rdesktop
rdist
tsclient
screen
slib
star
stunnel
sysstat
xmms-musepack
gstreamer08
gstreamer08-plugins
tix
python-imaging
scribus
tcl
tk
sysreport
tcpdump
transcode
vcdimager
vim-common
vim-enhanced
vino
vnc
wavpack
Xaw3d
words
xhtml1-dtds
ypbind


The CD is currently sitting at 611MB.

The following packages will also be removed if possible (they're required by the installer):
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anaconda-*
binutils
busybox-anaconda
dosfstools
mkbootdisk
netpbm
netpbm-progs


In addition, jeff & I would like to open debate on whether or not to include apache httpd.

Post your objections and feature/package requests here & let the flaming begin! ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:16 am 
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Note, all this stuff will still be in the repo, just not on the CD itself.

Also, adding something often means dragging in a bunch of dependencies too.... We have 89 megs to work with now. :)

-Jeff


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:53 am 
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My personal request:

- keep mplayer/mencoder/mplayerplug-in.

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Personal request: Add Emacs to the CD.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:18 am 
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dylan wrote:
Personal request: Add Emacs to the CD.


Do you know that it would take over 12 megs on the CD to include it?

I have a feeling if someone knows emacs, they can figure out "apt-get emacs" too ;)


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:36 am 
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stevo32 wrote:
It's time to make your requests for 60k!

Please note, however, the following packages are slated to be removed for 60k:

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screen


they are a few disappointments [irssi and scribus particularly], but screen is my only objection. this [for me] is part of the basic toolkit. how much room is it?

stevo32 wrote:
In addition, jeff & I would like to open debate on whether or not to include apache httpd.


i think this falls into the same category as the emacs part of the thread. if someone's gonna be messing with apache, they're gonna be smart enough to apt-get install apache.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 1:46 am 
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screen, scribus, irssi


The question is always a tradeoff. Our approach here was to blow out as much as possible and kind of start fresh. We removed a lot of cruft in the process too.

screen is 549k. Not huge, but that's a chunk of space for something few probably use and for 100% is used by apt-getting folks.

irssi, is sort of the same story as screen (a command line IRC client), but at 874k...

scribus is the one of those three that I'm most inclined to put back, personally. But it drags in lots with it, including tk, tkinter, tcl, etc... So all of scribus requires around 10 megs.

As for apache, I just think it's so fundamental... Like `ls` ;) Plus in situations where you are /not/ on the 'net, it allows you to create a basic framework.

-Jeff


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i think this falls into the same category as the emacs part of the thread. if someone's gonna be messing with apache, they're gonna be smart enough to apt-get install apache.

I am of the same opinion about emacs and apache, I am not too bothered about lots of the apps that you're about to remove from the CD if they are in the repo. I can always get the stuff I need but for the Noobs you need to leave as much of the multimedia stuff as possible with the exception of Totem, you can scrap and burn that IMO.

Now for the addition, yes we need screen, script, scriptreplay, rutilt and rt2500 wifi driver. As you can see it's a very short list but things that most of us need/use every day.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:04 am 
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make


Why make? make is needed for like everything...


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weyasey wrote:
Now for the addition, yes we need screen, script, scriptreplay, rutilt and rt2500 wifi driver. As you can see it's a very short list but things that most of us need/use every day.


Huh? WTF are "script, scriptreplay, rutilt" ?

I don't see anyone packaging rt2500. Must be a good reason for that. Hmm.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:21 am 
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mullenbrock wrote:
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make

Why make? make is needed for like everything...


Well, you're coming from the perspective of someone that is trying to compile their own kernel in another thread. `make` is only used by developers (or at least people compiling stuff)... On it's own it's not doing much. I think at one point it was dragged in with X way back when. Now on the CD by itself it's not very useful.

That said, if gcc were on the CD, it would make more sense.

-Jeff


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jebba wrote:
weyasey wrote:
Now for the addition, yes we need screen, script, scriptreplay, rutilt and rt2500 wifi driver. As you can see it's a very short list but things that most of us need/use every day.


Huh? WTF are "script, scriptreplay, rutilt" ?


I now remember what `script` is from my modem days. ;) It's in util-linux. scriptreplay is not in there. It's a short perl script. I put it on the ftp server:
ftp://ftp.blagblagblag.org/pub/BLAG/dev ... treplay.pl

I also opened a bug report with redhat to see if they'd include it in util-linux since it's in the upstream tarball. We'll see how that goes...
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/sh ... ?id=219049

I'm not sure about "most of us need/use every day" though. Sounds pretty freaking obscure to me.

I still don't know what rutilt is.

-Jeff


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:33 am 
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jebba wrote:
I still don't know what rutilt is.


Google is your best friend: http://cbbk.free.fr/bonrom/

@weyasey, if you're going to be talking about obscure apps, please post links to them.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:51 am 
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weyasey wrote:
rt2500 wifi driver.


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/sh ... ?id=202528


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This is not so much of a request, but what will happen with Mono? I know that it is now officially a part of Gnome, and 2.16 ships with Tomboy and a few others (I think). Has Blag taken a official stance on those programs developed by Novell (Mono, Evolution, etc.)? I'd also like to ask for Epiphany as the defalut browser.


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