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noldrin
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: well, it took some doin' Reply with quote

Veganbikepunk wrote:

No wonder he's always had the support of the American Nazi Party
http://orthodoxanarchist.com/2007/12/26/american-nazi-party-chief-ron-paul-is-one-of-us/


You can't believe anything Bill White says, he's a nutjob who will say anything he can to get attention, false, made up, whatever, this guy has zero cred. The American Nazi Party is considered the lamest and most dysfunctional of all the WP groups out there. As described by other WP groups, they are so lame that they allow Bill White as a member. Some WP groups think he's actually a zionist jew pretending to be a Nazi to stir the racial pot. He's been an Anarchist, Marxist, Libertarian, Communist, Nazi and spoken on behalf of the Libertarian National Socialist Green Party.

I mean really, self describe Libertarian Socialist?

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=216
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_White_(neo-nazi)

jebba
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: well, it took some doin' Reply with quote

noldrin wrote:
Veganbikepunk wrote:

No wonder he's always had the support of the American Nazi Party
http://orthodoxanarchist.com/2007/12/26/american-nazi-party-chief-ron-paul-is-one-of-us/


You can't believe anything Bill White says


The New York Times quoted him in an article in one of their blogs and removed it within hours and later published a "oh, we didn't check our sources" kind of thing. Ron Paul associating with them is a pure fabrication.

You are really digging in the trash veganbikepunk.

-Jeff

jebba
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, here's Wolf Blitzer with Ron Paul on CNN about the newsletter thing. Surprisingly, it looks like the longest segment they have ever had on Ron Paul! I wonder why.

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6rxts0-f9w

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82CYNV0U_kg

ewl
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

noldrin wrote:

Beyond this, I do believe the government has a legitimate role to play in protecting the rights of people, most often from other groups of people, primarily the government itself and people who may try to use that government to do so. It's this belief why there is stuff that Kucinich talks about that I agree with too, such as establishing a system of government run Health care that provides free health care for all in this country.


But that is the type of thing that Ron Paul would be totally against. He is against any interference by the federal government except in defending the rule of law (the constitution) and, I would suppose, at least a minimal national defense. I don't know this because of what I have read him say (I will admit) but because I know his type. What he wants is basically laissez faire capitalism. The capitalist libertarians are under the delusion that everything that has ever gone wrong with the economy is because of government interference. The reason we haven't had a major depression in this country (the USA) since World War II is because of government interference in the economy. I'm not a Keynesian, I'm a Socialist, but Keynesianism saved capitalism after the 1930s. Capitalism is still Capitalism but it's been nudged to be less destructive to the Capitalist class. But the bad old days of laissez faire capitalism weren't good days for the working class, either. As a matter of fact, in the western world they were far worse. That's what the libertarian capitalists are trying to bring back, the bad old days of unfettered capitalism. If you are at all progressive I don't see what you think you have in common with libertarians like Ron Paul.

Other than that, I've got nothing against the guy. He's better than the other Republicans, but that ain't saying much.


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berkbw
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ed LB - I have read some of your posts, like this one, and skipped some that were obviously going to be beyond my attention span, but I have failed to get why you are so into repeat posting on this thread. Maybe you fail to understand that whether one goes to the left, or to the right, the paths cross - it's very much circular. You decry "progressives". and so do I - the problem with this concept is that ALL of the popular candidates are merely different cogs in the SAME wheel. AND - I think the "proportional representation" I is a good excuse for "quick, while we outnumber "them" whack 'em" I believe that the Constitution [improved] is a GREAT place to start, some things [like the necessity ] for the college to meet and elect the president ]are of course dated..

Of course, when we see you at your site we all think a bed bound, can't do much more than think"..

Personally , I see nothing that offers US any improvement.from your posts..
/rant = off/.

b-

contents
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Of course, when we see you at your site we all think a bed bound, can't do much more than think"..


Jezus Christ, berkbw, what to you have against Ed? There's no need to engage in personal insults like this.

berkbw
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hadn't meant for it to be REALLY personal. Just some.
berkbw
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and I think that I said it all about what I had against him [actually, I had said all that I wished to have said] If YOU have an issue with anything that I have posted, please feel free to bring it up! YES!, I DO seem to have a "personal" issue with ELB. He has run off at the mouth [fingers?] for longer that I would really like to tolerate.

I am Big, I am BAD, and, sometimes, I am GREEN. I, for one, am sick of some of the mindless crap which seems to flow here.

It's best if we keep mags "on topic", eh?

contents
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My issue, berkbw, is that it's unproductive to engage in personal insults in a discussion such as this or dismiss what others say as "mindless crap", especially when you don't seem to be contributing to the discussion at all.

As far as I can tell, you've never said why you're either for or against Paul (other than saying that the constitution is a "GREAT place to start", which is something any of the candidates could say), nor have you given any substantive criticism of any of Ed's arguments against Paul or against unrestricted laissez fair capitalism. But I might be mistaken about that, for other than your insults, I seem to have some trouble understanding what you are saying in most of your posts [PERHAPS it is Due to your "tendency" to WRITE [type?] like "this."]

iron_chef
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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... I, for one, am sick of some of the mindless crap which seems to flow here.


I would just like to jump in and say that regardless of what I personally believe and whether I agree with him or not, ewl's posts here are well-written, thought-out, and educated. Mindless crap? I don't think so. Spend some time on Slashdot if you want a good example of that. I think, for the most part, that there is some healthy political discussion going on here (or, at least there was). All opinions are welcome. Personal attacks are not. We don't have to agree on everything (and we won't), but jeez, we're all adults here, aren't we?

Joe

ewl
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

berkbw wrote:
Ed LB - I have read some of your posts, like this one, and skipped some that were obviously going to be beyond my attention span, but I have failed to get why you are so into repeat posting on this thread. Maybe you fail to understand that whether one goes to the left, or to the right, the paths cross - it's very much circular. You decry "progressives". and so do I - the problem with this concept is that ALL of the popular candidates are merely different cogs in the SAME wheel. AND - I think the "proportional representation" I is a good excuse for "quick, while we outnumber "them" whack 'em" I believe that the Constitution [improved] is a GREAT place to start, some things [like the necessity ] for the college to meet and elect the president ]are of course dated..

Of course, when we see you at your site we all think a bed bound, can't do much more than think"..

Personally , I see nothing that offers US any improvement.from your posts..
/rant = off/.

b-


I guess that means you don't like me. Well I don't know what I've done to you, but thanks for raising the level of the discussion. ;-)

I never mentioned proportional representation in any of these posts, so the only place that you could have got that is my website. But I never said, "see my website for further information". And I don't decry progressives. I like them. I flatter myself by thinking that I am one. And if you think the picture on my website makes me look old, you should see me now. That was about 5 years ago. Everything's gray now.

Is there any way that I can appease you other than by stopping posting altogether?


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Ed LaBonte
berkbw
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, I feel much better now, I guess I was in need of a cathartic. I am a bit of withered or weathered myself.

b-

jebba
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

youtoobz wrote:
A 20 year friend of Ron Paul, Austin Texas' NAACP Director Nelson Linder is interviewed by Scott Horton of Anti War radio concerning the accusations of racism against the congressman.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvFLSwDvBUA

In sum, he says he doesn't think Paul is a racist at all.

berkbw
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:52 am    Post subject: Re: Ed lobante Reply with quote

berkbw wrote:
Whereas I have little personal knowledge of this guy, I think someone should take a bat and seriously rattle his cage!!

From his pix, he seems to be too old to be involved in BLAG [albeit I am older]. Is this guy the voice of the "opposition", or what? Do I need to post the berkwalker@whatever.com on my .sig to achieve parity? [I actually have one].

I think [yes, I do] that fewer words and more content might be appropriate..

So - WHAT ARE you actually for/against ElB? Are you just another B/W wasting butthead, or do you really bring something to the plate.

Berk Walker
Morrisville, PA


I think that is long past the time for me to offer an apology to ewl. I have noticed that 1) He is a real Blag person, and 2) I was out of line, and out of propriety in my post.

Ed, I apologize . And to the community, I will try to temper the combination of crotchety old age, etho (booze), and big mouth. It is unbecoming to the forum, and decorum in general.

Sorry guys.

b-

extraspecialbitter
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this cute corgi in Cochituate, Massachusetts was spotted showing his (her?) support outside a local polling place. Photo by Mrs. Bitter.
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