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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:04 pm 
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shawoho wrote:
Actually I couldn't deal with the "Package's Conflict" at blaghead apt repo, so turned off my laptop... when restarting, it doesn't finish the boot process...!

Do I need to re- install again to keep trying to achieve blaghead?



Ah! Ya. If you replaced sysvinit with upstart and didn't do the rest of the upgrade, your system gets hosed. Voila. Or at least, i'm speculating that, since upstart changes your bootup scripts... Where exactly does it hang?

You could just try a re-install i guess at this point, or go in with a rescue disk and reinstall the old initscripts or something.

I've also noticed event-compat-sysv and initscripts have both been updated recently in the blaghead repo. The repo gets *lots* of daily changes. I may have the updates get mailed to the mailing list, if anyone wants it (it currently gets mailed to me).

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shawoho wrote:
I already installed upstart and util-linux-ng
but
what about this:

conflicts with lame-libs, limp3lame0 x264, libx264, apt, aptrpms-package-config

how do I exactly must battle with this kind of conflicts??? what is the rule??


Well, to get initially upgraded it may be easiest to remove the packages if they are something unnecessary like lame. Then once you get all upgraded you can install them. That particular conflict may be because both atrpms and livna have versions, so we have to pick between them (in this cause, i'd pick livna most likely). I have whitelists of packages for each repo, so I just removed lame-*, limp3lame0, & *x264* from atrpms.


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I have added a wiki page here:

https://wiki.blagblagblag.org/BLAGHEAD


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I have just added Alexandre Oliva's kernel-libre kernel RPMS. These packages
are based on "linux-libre", which is a free-software-as-in-free-software
version of the linux kernel with non-free source removed.


For apt, add the repo thusly:

32 bit machine:
Code:
rpm http://www.blagblagblag.org/ blaghead/i386 atrpms blag dribble fedora livna lxoliva


64 bit machine:
Code:
rpm http://www.blagblagblag.org/ blaghead/x86_64 atrpms blag dribble fedora livna lxoliva



Yum users don't need to add anything.

The package names are:
kernel-libre
kernel-libre-debug
kernel-libre-debug-devel
kernel-libre-devel
kernel-libre-PAE
kernel-libre-PAEdebug
kernel-libre-PAEdebug-devel
kernel-libre-PAE-devel

(Note, it probably should be kernel-libre-PAE-debug, but currently he's missing
that last dash)

I may in the future include these packages in the base distro.

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shawoho wrote:
what about this:

conflicts with lame-libs, limp3lame0 x264, libx264, apt, aptrpms-package-config

how do I exactly must battle with this kind of conflicts??? what is the rule??


Further:
it would be nice to hear of such conflicts on the blag-devel mailing list and include info like:

Example (80k box):
Code:
$ rpm -q lame-libs limp3lame0 x264 libx264 apt aptrpms-package-config

package lame-libs is not installed
package limp3lame0 is not installed
x264-0.0.0-0.3.20070529.fc7
package libx264 is not installed
apt-0.5.15lorg3.93-4.fc8
package aptrpms-package-config is not installed


Example (blagheadbox):
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$ rpm -q lame-libs limp3lame0 x264 libx264 apt aptrpms-package-config

lame-libs-3.97-6.lvn8.x86_64
package limp3lame0 is not installed
x264-0.0.0-0.12.20080227.lvn9.x86_64
package libx264 is not installed
apt-0.5.15lorg3.94-3.fc9.x86_64
package aptrpms-package-config is not installed


If you happen to *know* you want a particular package (e.g. prefer an atrpms one over a livna one because it has $foo) say why. That way we can pick which one to prefer over the others, by whitelisting it with one repo and not the other.

Also, sometimes these package issues may just fluctuate as package dependencies need to be built against one another so it just needs to "catch up". I find it nice to also do things like `yum update firefox` instead of doing the full `yum update` if I don't want to wait for it or there's some broken dependency.

I also added a new rpm, mozilla-filesystem, which was a new requirement for firefox from fedora. This will happen frequently.

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 Post subject: bleeding edge BLAG?
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 1:26 pm 
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My main PC has multiple partitions - I run BLAG 70K as my primary system but also boot Fedora 8 and 9 from time to time just to get a glimpse of "the future of BLAG". It seems that the BLAGHEAD project will enable me to do the same thing, but in the context of fully free software. Is it just me, or does this sound like a win-win proposition?

In reading the BLAGHEAD Wiki, there is mention of disabling other repositories and turning on those relevant to BLAGHEAD. Does this mean that it's possible to "upgrade" from 70K to BLAGHEAD with a combination of apt-gets, rpm -Uvh commands and some requisite amount of swearing?


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 Post subject: Re: bleeding edge BLAG?
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:55 pm 
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extraspecialbitter wrote:
My main PC has multiple partitions - I run BLAG 70K as my primary system but also boot Fedora 8 and 9 from time to time just to get a glimpse of "the future of BLAG". It seems that the BLAGHEAD project will enable me to do the same thing, but in the context of fully free software. Is it just me, or does this sound like a win-win proposition?


I think so. I really like using it myself.

extraspecialbitter wrote:
In reading the BLAGHEAD Wiki, there is mention of disabling other repositories and turning on those relevant to BLAGHEAD. Does this mean that it's possible to "upgrade" from 70K to BLAGHEAD with a combination of apt-gets, rpm -Uvh commands and some requisite amount of swearing?


That's the *only* way to do it, in fact. ;)

-Jeff


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 Post subject: Re: bleeding edge BLAG?
PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:00 pm 
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jebba wrote:
extraspecialbitter wrote:
In reading the BLAGHEAD Wiki, there is mention of disabling other repositories and turning on those relevant to BLAGHEAD. Does this mean that it's possible to "upgrade" from 70K to BLAGHEAD with a combination of apt-gets, rpm -Uvh commands and some requisite amount of swearing?


That's the *only* way to do it, in fact. ;)

-Jeff


I will give it a try this weekend and report my findings right here...


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Couldn't resist trying BLAGHEAD yesterday night... Started with a clean 70k install, and followed the apt-get method from the wiki. First broke my system completely trying to fix dependencies (gnome-packagekit etc). The second time went better, after sorting out some dependency trouble with util-linux and having multiple versions of avahi. A lot of stuff is currently being held back from upgrade, apparently caused by a missing dependency: sysvinit (<2.86-24). Apart from that, my new BLAGHEAD system seems suprisingly stable (for now), except two minor things: installing from Synaptic crashes with a MD5 error, and my touchpad isn't working 100% (no tapping).

Keep up the good work!:-)

-robert


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veganix wrote:
Couldn't resist trying BLAGHEAD yesterday night... Started with a clean 70k install, and followed the apt-get method from the wiki. First broke my system completely trying to fix dependencies (gnome-packagekit etc). The second time went better, after sorting out some dependency trouble with util-linux and having multiple versions of avahi. A lot of stuff is currently being held back from upgrade, apparently caused by a missing dependency: sysvinit (<2.86-24). Apart from that, my new BLAGHEAD system seems suprisingly stable (for now), except two minor things: installing from Synaptic crashes with a MD5 error, and my touchpad isn't working 100% (no tapping).


Try some of this foo:

Code:
apt-get update
apt-get install upstart  (note, dont reboot after this until you get things good & upgraded)
apt-get install util-linux-ng


You may throw a `yum install util-linux-ng` in there occassionally as well. Sometimes mixing them helps.

The tap on the touchpad is a config thing that has changed, but i dont remember where it's set. Has to do with not using a /etc/X11/xorg.conf anymore (dynamically configs), but i think you can add the touchpad part to that.

For multiple versions, just do something like:

Code:
$ rpm -q avahi
avahi-1.0.0
avahi-2.0.0
$rpm -e avahi-1.0.0


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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 3:25 pm 
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The fine folks at autistici have set up a blag-noise mailing list. I didn't
want to turn this perfectly quiet little list into a sudden flood of machine
automated updates, so i asked them to set it up.

Right now the only thing being sent to the list is the package updates for
BLAGHEAD. At some point I may add more, like the webserver cron output. Jason
or Chrisc feel free to redirect the output of the servers here if you think
there might be something useful.

The followups to blag-noise get sent to blag-devel.

You can subscribe here:
https://www.autistici.org/mailman/listinfo/blag-noise

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 Post subject: BLAGHEAD using yum
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 3:38 pm 
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Having tried twice to upgrade from a fresh install of BLAG 70K to BLAGHEAD via apt, I thought I'd give yum a try. I basically just booted up, modified /etc/yum.repos.d/blaghead.repo as per the wiki, and typed "yum upgrade". After marked many packages "to be updated", it ultimately failed on the following dependencies:

Code:
--> Finished Dependency Resolution
Error: Missing Dependency: fuse-kmdl-2.7.3-8_9.fc8_93 is needed by package fuse
Error: Missing Dependency: libjasper.so.1 is needed by package ghostscript
Error: Missing Dependency: libdvdread.so.3 is needed by package thoggen
Error: Missing Dependency: xine-lib = 1.1.7 is needed by package xine-lib-moles
Error: Missing Dependency: libjasper.so.1 is needed by package ImageMagick
Error: Missing Dependency: timidity++-patches is needed by package libtimidity
Error: Missing Dependency: timidity++-patches is needed by package wildmidi-libs


Since I'm a bit more comfortable with apt, I'll try that again. Stay tuned...


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I just tried the upgrade again using apt, but this time started by installing upstart and util-linux-ng before attempting an "apt-get dist-upgrade". The result was a bootable system, but one that doesn't seem to want to boot into graphics mode. gdm seems to be installed, but there's no /etc/init.d/gdm to start it up. Perhaps this is a quirk of upstart?

Code:
[root@bocajuniors]# cat /etc/issue
BLAGHEAD release 999999
Kernel \r on an \m

[root@bocajuniors]# uname -r
2.6.24-1blag.f8
[root@bocajuniors]# rpm -q gdm
gdm-2.22.0-1.fc9.i386


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 Post subject: "new" sources file
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:07 pm 
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I just noticed that an upgrade to BLAGHEAD produces a new "blag.list" file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d (in addition to the blaghead.list file I created prior to the upgrade). This results in reading from both the 80000 and blaghead repos, which I assume is "bad".


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 Post subject: Re: "new" sources file
PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 8:37 pm 
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extraspecialbitter wrote:
I just noticed that an upgrade to BLAGHEAD produces a new "blag.list" file under /etc/apt/sources.list.d (in addition to the blaghead.list file I created prior to the upgrade). This results in reading from both the 80000 and blaghead repos, which I assume is "bad".


Yep. Bad! ;) It also lists it as 80000.... got to go.... Can you `rpm -qf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/blag.list` for me?


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