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wwwolf3004
PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:46 am    Post subject: The Patriot Act Reply with quote

This is a question for all of us in the USA and for those that are up to date on the Patriot act. (If not go here to view - http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFree.cfm?ID=12126&c=207 )

So my question is this. What are everyone's thoughts on the Patriot act. Mine are more then negative. It is suppose to be in place to protect us but............ That is for a later, more detailed reply.


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Cathbard
PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who was it that said "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross"?
They are trying to implement the same type of crap here in Australia too. It's indicitive of our times. Make everybody scared and then oppress them under the guise of safety. It's quite offensive when you consider it's their empire building that is generating the fear in the first place.

Patriotism is the final refuge to which the scoundrel clings.
Steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you a king.
(Bob Dylan)


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

philosopher emperor, Julius Caesar (102 - 44 B.C.).
“Beware of the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry, [who] infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How will I know? For this I have done. And I am Julius Caesar.”

Ever heard history repeats itself? -

Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The University of Edinborough) had this to say about "The Fall of The Athenian Republic" some 2,000 years prior:

"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship."

"The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

From Bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage."

The patriot act's title was thought out as anyone who would not vote for such a name surely sounds unpatriotic. If it had enough valid points, it would not need a name like "Patriot Act" to be passed.


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rblee
PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cathbard wrote:
Who was it that said "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross"?


That would be Sinclair Lewis...

jefro
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't be too bad of a place. I don't see anyone leaving. I never saw anyone in jail because they don't like a politician. In fact, I'd say more people complain in public about the government in the USA because it is so free.
jebba
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jefro wrote:
Can't be too bad of a place. I don't see anyone leaving. I never saw anyone in jail because they don't like a politician. In fact, I'd say more people complain in public about the government in the USA because it is so free.


Such bullshit.

Come visit our ENORMOUS prison system. Largest on Earth by most counts. So free?

Leaving? I'm not even /allowed/ to leave without permission, along with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of others.

ewl
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jefro wrote:
Can't be too bad of a place. I don't see anyone leaving. I never saw anyone in jail because they don't like a politician. In fact, I'd say more people complain in public about the government in the USA because it is so free.

America is free, everyone of us is free to live on the streets. The rich can do it too. To misquote Anatole France: America allows the rich and the poor to live in the streets and get there food from the trash.
It's true that I don't see all those street people lining up at the airport to leave the country. It must be because they love it here.


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nofoto
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure that If I was so poor that I was eating out of bins, food and shelter would be my first priority, rather than saving up my pennies for a plane ticket.

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Jason
PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sums it up.
ewl
PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nofoto wrote:
I'm pretty sure that If I was so poor that I was eating out of bins, food and shelter would be my first priority, rather than saving up my pennies for a plane ticket.


I guess I was too cryptic. The above was meant as irony. The reference to Anatole France:
"The law in its majestic equality forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."


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nofoto
PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a lot of reading to do, to be honest. I am but a simple, humble person. ;)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KBR awarded Homeland Security contract worth up to $385M

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- KBR, the engineering and construction subsidiary of Halliburton Co., said Tuesday it has been awarded a contingency contract from the Department of Homeland Security to supports its Immigration and Customs Enforcement facilities in the event of an emergency. The maximum total value of the contract is $385 million and consists of a 1-year base period with four 1-year options. KBR held the previous ICE contract from 2000 through 2005. The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to expand existing ICE Detention and Removal Operations Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs, KBR said. The contract may also provide migrant detention support to other government organizations in the event of an immigration emergency, as well as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency, such as a natural disaster, the company said.

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