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 Post subject: Newby - Need Basics Help
PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:14 am 
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Hello,

I am new to all of this and would like some kind of manual that teaches the basics of this system. Doing search engine research is hard and creates more questions.

I used LinuxMint for a short period, but this system is different and all is new to me. Including "yum".

Thanks,
newby


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:35 pm 
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Hello
Newby ;-) (am one myself)
What system have you actually installed?
is it Blag140000 or Blag160000?or a Fedora 20 ?..
They are both no longer maintained ,most of us run a Fedora 20 with a
Libre-Kernel=Freedora
http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=5509
http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/li ... /freed-ora
As a newbie wishing to use a 100percent GNU/Linux operating system i
recommend you ::
http://forums.blagblagblag.org/viewtopic.php?t=5590
http://gdnewhat.org/

most distribution have documentations,wikis,Forums,IRC,but remember
wiki's are generally community made so they are not exhaustive in the
manner of how to ;-)

https://wiki.blagblagblag.org/Main_Page
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/index.html

it takes time to apprehend it all and does demand some world wide web
search..at least you have successfully booted into a GNU/Linux
system..that's a big leap into ...an adventure!

https://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu.html
https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
https://trisquel.info/
http://www.gnewsense.org/

you can join the IRC #blag

if you find the "configuration"of your IRC client(Pidgin/HexChat)too
dificult ==>
http://irc.lc/indymedia/indymedia/Guest@@@@
and join the channel #blag

http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/clients/

you can use Yumex==>system>administartion>yumex to do updates
& install stuff you may want to try or want installed.

Some Non-Libre distributions offer interesting documentation to have a
general view of GNU/Linux such as :
http://www.debian.org/doc/
https://help.ubuntu.com/community




What is Blag?

Blag is a 100% free GNU/Linux distribution, which means that it features
only free (libre) software - in the live cd and in the repo - according
to the Free Software Foundation definition.

Among the main differences between Blag and other GNU/Linux
distributions, Blag features a special Kernel, from the linux-libre
project which doesn't include any non-free firmware. It also uses Icecat
instead of Firefox.

Blag is Fedora-based, but provides more content by default : you may
find some new software in the repositories like educational softwares,
games, newer version of some existing softwares.
Finally, Blag is not just only a GNU/Linux distribution. It's also a
political, philosophical and technical community. All of its members
work to overthrow corporate control of information and technology
through community action and spreading Free Software.


;-)


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:07 pm 
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Hello Tristan,

Thank you for your reply. I would like to ask some questions. Forgive me in advance, I have not read through all of your links, they are very many.

-I have a Blag 140, I guess. I got it from this site - blagblagblag (dot) org
-Do you know why they are no longer maintained?
-How did you learn that they are no longer maintained.
-If you no longer use Blag, may I ask what you are doing here?
-What is an IRC client and why would I want to configure it?

Thanks,
Newby


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 4:14 pm 
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I have a question too: why your IP addresses are spammers IP?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 5:53 pm 
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Yes!
spammers go away!
since i've left an email address on blag-forum/Fedora.fr/Fedora.org..i get this kind of crap everyday:

1 new e-mails in your Spam folder
------------------------------------------------------------------
Status report from 23.02.2014

Number of e-mails in your Spam folder: 1
Number of new e-mails in your Spam folder: 1

[H] From: Teodoro Chapman <arozaso>
Subject: Zwei Vakanzen zugÃ?nglich


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:46 pm 
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[quote="Junichirô"]I have a question too: why your IP addresses are spammers IP?[/quote]

First, I can use what IP address I wish.

Second, I am not a spammer. If take the time to look at what I am actually writing, you will see that the content is not that of a spammer.

Third, you sound like a spammer. Could you explain why you are not answering the questions asked?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:49 pm 
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Hello Tristan,

You recommended using Fedora 20. Weird! You don't seem to understand the Freedom Software movement. Fedora 20 is not supportive of this movement, as found in the gnu official web-site. Therefore, why are you in a Freedom Software forum when you clearly don't share the same values?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:03 pm 
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newby wrote:
Hello Tristan,

Thank you for your reply. I would like to ask some questions. Forgive me in advance, I have not read through all of your links, they are very many.


newby wrote:
Third, you sound like a spammer. Could you explain why you are not answering the questions asked?


Why answering to a guy who doesn't read the answers?

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Quote from Matthew
from:http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=179139
The definitive guide to Trolls

In response to this thread I decided it was time to sit down and compile a clear definition of a troll followed by some examples, links and ways to deal with them. Please feel free to add your thoughts. I am not the original author of much of this material, in fact most of it is blatently borrowed from the sites linked at the bottom. I am merely the one who compiled the information for this thread.

An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" is a person who posts outrageous message to bait people to answer. Trolls delight in sowing discord on the forums. A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. Flaming discussions usually end with name calling and a flame war.

A classic troll tries to make us believe that he is a skeptic. He is divisive and argumentative with need-to-be-right attitude, "searching for the truth", flaming discussion, and sometimes insulting people or provoking people to insult him. A troll is usually an expert in reusing the same words of its opponents and in turning it against them.

While he tries to present himself as a skeptic looking for truth ... his messages usually sound as if it is the responsibility of other forum members to provide evidence that what forum is all about is legitimate.

]He (and in at least 90% of cases it is he) tries to start arguments and upset people.

Sometimes, he is skeptical, trying to scare people, trying to plant fear in their hearts. Sometimes, Internet troll is trying to spin conflicting information, is questioning in an insincere manner, flaming discussion, insulting people, turning people against each other, harassing forum members, ignoring warnings from forum moderators.

Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion. Well meaning defenders can create chaos by responding to trolls. The best response is to ignore it, or to report a message to a forum moderator. Ubuntuforums moderators usually move troll messages to the jail and may even ban trolls after a few unheeded warnings. Negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

When trolls are completely ignored they sometimes step up their attacks, desperately seeking the attention they crave. Their messages become more and more foul, and they post ever more of them. Alternatively, they may protest that their right to free speech is being curtailed. Perhaps the most difficult challenge for a moderator is deciding whether to take steps against a troll that a few people find entertaining. Some trolls do have a creative spark and have chosen to squander it on being disruptive. There is a certain perverse pleasure in watching some of them. Ultimately, though, we have to decide if the troll actually cares about putting on a good show for the regular participants, or is simply playing to an audience of one -- himself. For this reason the staff here often intervene, either with a warning in a thread, jailing one or more posts, sending private messages to offenders, and even banning people--temporarily or permanently--from these forums.

As an idea, the next time you see a post by somebody whom you think is a troll, and you feel you must reply, maybe you could just write a follow-up message in the thread entitled "Troll Alert" and type something like this:
The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction and not to respond to trolling messages. It is well known that most people don't read messages that nobody responds to, while 99% of forum visitors first read the longest and the largest threads with the most answers.
The goal of the Ubuntuforums is to provide a place where people wanting to share experiences using Ubuntu or Linux in general can do so as well as give and receive technical assistance in a friendly, pleasant environment. Trolls disturb and disrupt community and are neither welcomed nor tolerated. There are lots of "free speech" forums available for political, religious, "not safe for work" and family-unfriendly sorts of interactions. If you feel the need to troll, please seek out one of these places.

----Troll Spotting----

Trolls often have many basic characteristics in common:

1. Low post count. Trolls usually do not last long enough on a forum to rack up a large number of posts. Be particularly suspicious of any poster whose count is not yet in double digits and who appears to be causing trouble.

2. Suspicious IP addresses. Puppet accounts will have IP addresses identical to that of the TiQ.

3. Suspicious E-mail Addresses. Accounts that are similar in nature to those of the TiQ can indicate a puppet account. AOL accounts, for example, are particularly suspect, because AOL allows multiple usernames for a single account.

4. Syntax and grammar. Trolls, particularly Deceptives, invariably have trouble hiding their writing styles. Puppet accounts, or serial accounts created after previous accounts have been thoroughly discredited, will display traits similar to that of the TiQ.

----Links/sources----

These links are the source of much (almost all) of what is contained here. They also go into much greater detail than I have.
http://themartialist.com/pecom/fieldguidetotrolls.htm
http://curezone.com/forums/troll.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:51 pm 
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Trista and pretty much all the others so far in this forum.

You guys are idiots. No one here has answered my questions. They are all legitimate questions. Questions that a newby like me would have.

You guy need to be kicked out of here.

Trista, you still have not answered my last questions, which could only mean you are the troll here. Fedora 20, pathetic. You don't belong here.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 1:58 pm 
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Maybe you don't know (Because you didn't read the links Tristan gave) how to totally free a Fedora and add Blag themes and icons? There is no new blag release for now. So you can use a f20 totally free or test GdNewHat.

newby wrote:
Hello Tristan,

You recommended using Fedora 20. Weird! You don't seem to understand the Freedom Software movement. Fedora 20 is not supportive of this movement, as found in the gnu official web-site. Therefore, why are you in a Freedom Software forum when you clearly don't share the same values?


Because he read the forum and the links he gave; so he knows how to free fedora 20: http://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/freed-ora.en.html

The idiots who know are less idiot than the idiot who doesn't know!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:56 am 
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newby wrote:
Trista
and pretty much all the others so far in this forum.

You guys are idiots. No one here has answered my questions. They are all
legitimate questions. Questions that a newby like me would have.

You guy need to be kicked out of here.

Trista, you still have not answered my last questions, which could only
mean you are the troll here. Fedora 20, pathetic. You don't belong
here.






If you continue in such a manner i will personally demand that you be
warned or
simply banned from this forum.

Blag is a community

We respect Freedom & the philosophy of free software that is well
explained by the FSF,FSFLA,GNU.org...

Blag has a bit more to it.In many senses it is not an ordinary
GNU/Linux distribution.

II can understand certain frustrations or misunderstandings(you can
read all my threads ..and as a newby i encoutered many difficulties but
got a lot of help .

IN NO MANNER IT IS PERMITTED TO INSULT FORUM MEMBERS.


WE ACTUALLY INSTALL FEDORA 20 THEN """LIBERATE IT !"""


our systems become LIBRE=FREED-ORA

see all the threads on this (FREED-ORA) that have been posted on this
Forum
But i encourage anyone to read ancient threads .

We also have been very happy with the development of GdNewHat(read
threads for further info)....!they have done a great job ;-)
Thanks!Shintaro

FSF,FSFLA,EFF;GNU.org fight for peoples FREEDOM..by acting the way you do
is harmfull to all the community .


here is
is the best way to have a FREED-ORA
LIBRE-KERNEL
DISTRO
UP-TO-DATE
and running
http://gdnewhat.org/index.html

;-)


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